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Post by HighProtein on Jul 22, 2004 0:12:07 GMT -5
In my eyes Trent Reznor and Nothing Records dropped the ball on Raymond Watts and PIG It wouldn't have taken too much promotion to make Sinsation really sucessful in America. Far lesser talented bands like Gravity Kills were making it. And some more good tour dates and then push the hell out of Wrecked and PIG could have been doing very well. It wouldn't even take away from Trent and Nothing's cash cow of Marilyn Manson.
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Post by Mephisto on Jul 22, 2004 12:06:38 GMT -5
probably would have been better stuff for sinsation, the release of the painiac video, and maybe the release of wrecked...but i don't think he would have stayed on there very much longer anyway.
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Post by k.r.i.s.t.i.n on Jul 22, 2004 20:45:13 GMT -5
i dont know where Raymond and PIG went after Nothing but why didnt they promote more in the US?...
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Post by Mephisto on Jul 22, 2004 22:38:48 GMT -5
As i understand it, it was a money issue. also, raymond is really known for being a dick when it comes to record negotiations. (though, in reality, he probably just doesn't let himself be fucked over as others do.) I've read that the painiac video didn't get released because they didn't have the money to censor one part, so they just canned it. Basically, the way i understand it, reznor has to put most of the money he gets towards the moneymakers (i.e. manson and himself), thus, none is left over for the handful of kickass bands that were on nothing. though, nothing is defunct now, so it's really a moot point.
Reznor's vision for nothing was unrealistic in the first place. Industrial just isn't as accessible as some of us would like to think it is.
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Post by HighProtein on Jul 23, 2004 1:28:49 GMT -5
i dont know where Raymond and PIG went after Nothing but why didnt they promote more in the US?... After Nothing/ PIG was on Records in the US. They dropped the ball as well, and didn't promote for crap!
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Post by Mephisto on Jul 23, 2004 2:32:17 GMT -5
Well, raymond did hand them a three year old album that most die hard fans already had...
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Post by Mephisto on Jul 23, 2004 12:14:42 GMT -5
What are you talking about? at one point, Nothing had Neubauten, Pig, Coil, Prick, 12 Rounds and Squarepusher. Trent has pretty awesome taste in music.
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Post by feefiefoefum on Jul 25, 2004 1:56:16 GMT -5
On www.nin.com under body of work they smear out the title but says halo 18 2004. I still like nin, but I will admit that it don't sound near as good to me now as it did back when I was in HS. Does any one have any info on HALO 18>?>
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Post by dephglm on Jul 26, 2004 17:52:47 GMT -5
NIN news: bleed through is said to get back to the pretty hate machine/downward spiral roots...or at least much more aggressive than the fragile. trent said that there wont be any instrumentals and about 12 tracks, but it pretty much up in the air as to haw many tracks for sure. bleed through wont be out till early 2005. mixing for the album starts in october i think. dave grohl is playing drums.
the good news is that a remastered version of the downward spiral is comming out with bonus cd and clouser is finally being released on dvd. not sure about the exact dates for that but it will be released in 2004. i want to say november but dont quote me on that one.
nothing records as well as object merch has been fucked over because trents old manager was fucking him over money wise so its been to court and all that jazz...blah blah yadda yadda ...resulting in object merch being closed down. theweathermen.com is selling merch for the bands who were formally on object.
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Post by dephglm on Jul 26, 2004 18:29:04 GMT -5
maybe i was wrong about object merch...i just went to the site and its up. both objectmerch.com and theweathermen.com have pig merch.
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Post by Mephisto on Jul 28, 2004 9:20:53 GMT -5
yeah, like, two or three shirts.
The shirts need new pressings too...
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Post by mudshovel on Aug 8, 2004 8:57:03 GMT -5
I did love the interview from the Pig Pen:
PP: Have you talked with Trent since leaving Nothing? RW: Nope, I don't think so. PP: Did you and Trent ever talk about working together? RW: No, never.
Really says everything about Raymond and Trents working relationship. All my friends who botherd to listen to Wrecked have fallen in love with it, all it would have taken is a little promotion like HighProtein said.
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Post by devi on Aug 8, 2004 11:38:42 GMT -5
If Trent had done more with PIG, I think PIG would be as well known as NIN and MM. But, Trent is Trent. Maybe at the time people were surprised that PIG fell through, but looking back no one who's familiar at all with TR can be surprised.
Which sucks, because that kind of backing and exposure would have done wonders for PIG. Just like I think KMFDM Records could have done for him.
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Post by Noone on Aug 12, 2004 11:06:12 GMT -5
"yeah im just mad because i havent gotten my new nin album yet."
I can relate to that..... 3 albums in 15 years, damm perfectionist
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Post by Bodyhammer on Aug 12, 2004 12:27:59 GMT -5
yeah, i think pig is as good if not better than most bands out there anyways...
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Post by HighProtein on Aug 12, 2004 13:42:28 GMT -5
I listened to NIN a lot while I was in my mid teens, but rarely listen to them now. I've listened to PIG and KMFDM far more than NIN.
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Post by OhGr on Aug 12, 2004 17:34:04 GMT -5
my thoughts are if Trent spent time working with RW as much as he did with MM then it would be a toss up on who would have been more popular granted MM's music is a lot more Listener Friendly and draws the insecure Highschool teenage crowd which is half youth today.
however I think bands like Pig and KMFDM are now suddenly making a BIG HIT and a huge dent into Music right now. the concerts are selling out and word of mouth is getting around these bands kick ass. Cheap shows cheap cd's cheap shirts = good for underground band. I think You will see a blowup with Pig and bands like his in near future. if the push from Nothing records had been there to exploit this kind of material to listeners back in the 90's maybe bands like MM and NIN wouldnt be so respected like they are by youth.
just my 2 cents.
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Post by mudshovel on Sept 16, 2004 22:05:16 GMT -5
I played Wrecked and WWIII to my friends, and they couldn’t believe the bands had been around for so long and they had not heard of them. Word of mouth can be a powerful thing.
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Post by 8jumper on Sept 18, 2004 3:53:13 GMT -5
Ohgr.. KMFDM and Pig were much bigger in 94 and 95 respectively. This new renaissance of industrial has been dreamt of since the 90's... the only way to actually achieve this is to get goth/industrial clubs to stop playing hack techno and start playing music made by musicians rather than computer programmers.
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Post by HighProtein on Sept 18, 2004 10:30:06 GMT -5
the only way to actually achieve this is to get goth/industrial clubs to stop playing hack techno and start playing music made by musicians rather than computer programmers. Exactly and stop playing music by bands that look like rejects from Black Metal bands.
Teens these days go to those clubs and only hear modern industrial music (garbage) and hear very little from the 80's and 90's.
Look at these hot topic model rejects...
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Post by feefiefoefum on Oct 2, 2004 20:56:07 GMT -5
Sorry for being somewhat uneducated but what is "Hack Techno"?
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