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Post by nick on Dec 9, 2004 17:12:05 GMT -5
I think things like the video for Arbor Vitate, where Raymond is getting abused just as much as the women in his videos and songs like the Watts version of Take with the "Dream on, baby" part somewhat counteract the misogynist lyrics.
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Post by TheLance on Dec 9, 2004 20:01:12 GMT -5
Personally, I think the fact his lyrics are a little offensive keeps them from being bland.
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Post by drinkthepoison on Mar 10, 2005 15:54:14 GMT -5
Just because a person sings about something doesn't mean he approves of it.
People often make this mistake. I remember some congressional hearing which quoted the Nine Inch Nails song "Big Man with a Gun," claiming it promoted violence and misogyny. But anyone with half a brain who listens to that song should be able to tell that it's ridiculing and criticizing a particular mindset of misogyny by personifying it to an extreme. Trent Reznor is singing those words, but he clearly doesn't approve of them.
This is why I don't feel that Watts' lyrics are misogynistic. He may personify a particular mindset that is offensive, but that doesn't mean he approves of it.
He even says this on the WWIII DVD when he is being interviewed by Sascha. He says that Sascha writes lyrics that directly attack and condemn whatever he finds offensive, but that Raymond would rather *personify* those things that he finds offensive.
I actually find this infinitely more interesting--you end up with quite a bit more layers and depth within the songs.
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Post by stampede on Mar 10, 2005 18:58:55 GMT -5
not only on the WW3 dvd but in multiple interviews he has said things to that effect. That is where the name pig comes from it is raymond watts personifying the worst part of society.
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Post by gally on Mar 11, 2005 0:45:10 GMT -5
Just because a person sings about something doesn't mean he approves of it. People often make this mistake. I remember some congressional hearing which quoted the Nine Inch Nails song "Big Man with a Gun," claiming it promoted violence and misogyny. But anyone with half a brain who listens to that song should be able to tell that it's ridiculing and criticizing a particular mindset of misogyny by personifying it to an extreme. Trent Reznor is singing those words, but he clearly doesn't approve of them. This is why I don't feel that Watts' lyrics are misogynistic. He may personify a particular mindset that is offensive, but that doesn't mean he approves of it. He even says this on the WWIII DVD when he is being interviewed by Sascha. He says that Sascha writes lyrics that directly attack and condemn whatever he finds offensive, but that Raymond would rather *personify* those things that he finds offensive. I actually find this infinitely more interesting--you end up with quite a bit more layers and depth within the songs. I'm not sure if you are really responding to me or the comments that followed my post, but I do feel kind of responsible for taking this thread down this path. I'll explain myself a just a bit. Firstly, I get what he's doing. If I had no appreciation for the idea of satire demonstrated through personification, I'd never have become such a big fan of Steve Albini; especially during his Big Black days. Also, if I truly found Mr. Watts offensive, I wouldn't be a fan of his work either. This type of stuff is tricky and sticky. No matter how obvious it seems to some of us there are people who won't get it. There are people who won't see it cause they agree so strongly with whatever is being aped; they will only conclude that someone else is agreeing with them. There are people who will instantly be offended without ever analyzing things further. As you say though, there are layers of meaning in Mr. Watts' work, and I'm not immune to picking up different currents from it at times. Sure, that does make it interesting. At certain times it does bother me. I'm not all up in arms about it. I don't even really expect it to mean much of anything to anyone else. Guess I just think of his work in some ways as the sandpaper I need to rub my cheek against from time to time. Thanks for making your point. I enjoyed hearing it. As far as Mr. Watts' lyrics I have really been enjoying "Blades" lately. I find the lines, "caress my skin / my sickness sleeps / my dreams are golden," to be especially potent somehow. I like all of this song. I've been getting into "Disrupt Degrade & Devastate" much too. I only wish he could have come up with a better line than, "the master black belt in tongue-fu." It's just not my style. Doesn't really matter though. Still, a really great song. --lovelove
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Post by swine and wine on Mar 17, 2005 0:57:27 GMT -5
As far as Mr. Watts' lyrics I have really been enjoying "Blades" lately. I find the lines, "caress my skin / my sickness sleeps / my dreams are golden," to be especially potent somehow. oddly enough, this song is on my repeat play list lately as well.
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Post by gally on Mar 19, 2005 3:35:00 GMT -5
oddly enough, this song is on my repeat play list lately as well. YAY-!!! --lovelove
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Post by Ultra Juke Joint Jezebel on Dec 4, 2005 20:39:38 GMT -5
To jump back to the topic, my favorite lyrics for the day are from "The Only Good One's a Dead One."
"I cannot hurt I cannot feel Come kiss the cut I will heal One poison pill bedlam burns I clutch the cradle of corrosion Never again comes again and again, again"
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Post by Ultra Juke Joint Jezebel on Dec 8, 2005 14:05:08 GMT -5
"We belong together like bacon and ham. We belong together like fakin' and sham."
from "One Meatball"
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Post by mudshovel on Dec 23, 2005 16:40:28 GMT -5
Strike with the sword Stricken with the scabbard -sick city
What more can I say?
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Post by milk on Feb 26, 2006 0:58:53 GMT -5
Nothing hurts like nothing gained. - FOM
The fist of fear, the hand of hate. - The Smell
The final straw is now arriving, my new leg still does the driving. - Spank The Monkey
Give me my self respect, I plead! - Volcano
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Post by Serial Killer Thriller on Mar 3, 2006 16:05:30 GMT -5
My fav lyrics...
"I'm a man who's sick but I got class"
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